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Amzari Abu Bakar
Hi everybody,

I have a little background in cataloging. I am an
ex-librarian (in charge in Library Automation). Thus,
my concern on ability of the system esp. Koha. For
almost a year I have been following Koha, do a part
time testing, finding the best way of implementing
Koha in different environment. (Maybe if libraries in
Malaysia want an Open Source Solution, I can recommend
Koha).

I am following current discussions on cataloging
materials in different character set (e.g: Chinese
pinyin). It's come to my attention that tags 880 have
something todo with this (by the way, I am still
learning cataloging). My concern is, how to catalog
Arabic Materials. My question as follows (Assume these
questions from beginner level cataloger):

1. What should I add in my MARC structure, Links to
other fields and etc?
2. Must I modify Koha scripts in order to enable
presentation different character set? ( I have tried
copying arabic word, put on tag 245 and I have
problems of displaying these character. Character not
show up properly, even though I set my browser
Encoding to Arabic character set).
3. Can I directly catalog in native language (eg:
Arabic) in tags other than tag 880-Not using
transliteration. Example tag 245. If can, how? -Maybe
related to question no.2 (In this case patrons have to
search using arabic words).

Thanks in advance for your kind response.

Amzari Abu Bakar
Lecturer
International Islamic University Malaysia.

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> So if we were to download books directly from other
> libraries... it may involve lots of record code
> editing, as all the Chinese info in other libraries
> will be entered into tag 880.  
>    
>   e.g.  100  Author name in pinyin
>           245  Author name in pinyin
>           880 $6100  Author name in chinese
>           880 $6245  Title name in Chinese
>    
>   With the MARC record downloaded, I wonder if I can
> swap the information in tag 880 $6100 with that of
> tag 100, so that when I upload the record into Koha,
> OPAC will display the author name in Chinese instead
> of pinyin.
>    
>    I suspect MARCEdit will not be able to recognize
> the $6 link.  So I cannot designate the info at tag
> 100 to be swapped with info at tag 880$100 and not
> say 880$245.
>    
>   Anyway, Joshua, you have been of a great help.
> Thank you.
>    
>   Carol
> Joshua Ferraro <[hidden email]> wrote:
>   On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 09:39:43AM -0800, Carol Ku
> wrote:
> > Joshua:
> > You are wonderful!!! You mention you used the Koha
> MARC edit in catalogue,
> > that means you manually enter the Chinese books in
> koha catalogue, and not
> > download the record from some libraries?
> Yep, that's right. So long as you have UTF-8 set up
> correctly, you can input
> as well as display any utf-8 you want in Koha.
>
> Now, let me warn you that the Koha MARC editor is
> still not perfect
> and I would still recommend you use an external MARC
> editor if that
> has been your cataloging practice thusfar. You
> should be able to set
> it up to handle a repeatable 900, 945, etc. tag,
> with the appropriate
> subfields to handle the transcriptions (don't limit
> yourself to just
> the title/author, feel free to include any others
> you want). So long
> as you set up your MARC Framework to handle the 9XX
> fields and link
> to them via the search points (ie 245a will need a
> 'search also'
> entry for '945a','945c' (and you might as well put
> '245c' in there
> while you're at it)), it will work without having to
> use Koha's
> editor. If you need more specific implementation
> details let me
> know.
>
> > Pardon me if this question appears to be silly.
> But your input is
> > very helpful still.
> No question is silly :-). I'm glad I could be of
> some help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
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Carol Ku
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Amzari Abu Bakar <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi everybody,

I have a little background in cataloging. I am an
ex-librarian (in charge in Library Automation). Thus,
my concern on ability of the system esp. Koha. For
almost a year I have been following Koha, do a part
time testing, finding the best way of implementing
Koha in different environment. (Maybe if libraries in
Malaysia want an Open Source Solution, I can recommend
Koha).

I am following current discussions on cataloging
materials in different character set (e.g: Chinese
pinyin). It's come to my attention that tags 880 have
something todo with this (by the way, I am still
learning cataloging). My concern is, how to catalog
Arabic Materials. My question as follows (Assume these
questions from beginner level cataloger):

1. What should I add in my MARC structure, Links to
other fields and etc?
2. Must I modify Koha scripts in order to enable
presentation different character set? ( I have tried
copying arabic word, put on tag 245 and I have
problems of displaying these character. Character not
show up properly, even though I set my browser
Encoding to Arabic character set).
You have to change the encoding from ISO to utf-8 in the web browser files in koha. 
3. Can I directly catalog in native language (eg:
Arabic) in tags other than tag 880-Not using
transliteration. Example tag 245. If can, how? -Maybe
related to question no.2 (In this case patrons have to
search using arabic words).

Thanks in advance for your kind response.

Amzari Abu Bakar
Lecturer
International Islamic University Malaysia.

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> 1. Re: Re: [Koha-win32] Re: [Koha] Tag 880 (Carol
> Ku)
>
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:08:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Carol Ku
> Subject: Re: Re: [Koha-win32] Re: [Koha] Tag 880
> To: Joshua Ferraro
> Cc: Koha Mailing List ,
> Koha Windows
> , "Steven F. Baljkas"
>
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> So if we were to download books directly from other
> libraries... it may involve lots of record code
> editing, as all the Chinese info in other libraries
> will be entered into tag 880.
>
> e.g. 100 Author name in pinyin
> 245 Author name in pinyin
> 880 $6100 Author name in chinese
> 880 $6245 Title name in Chinese
>
> With the MARC record downloaded, I wonder if I can
> swap the information in tag 880 $6100 with that of
> tag 100, so that when I upload the record into Koha,
> OPAC will display the author name in Chinese instead
> of pinyin.
>
> I suspect MARCEdit will not be able to recognize
> the $6 link. So I cannot designate the info at tag
> 100 to be swapped with info at tag 880$100 and not
> say 880$245.
>
> Anyway, Joshua, you have been of a great help.
> Thank you.
>
> Carol
> Joshua Ferraro wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2006 at 09:39:43AM -0800, Carol Ku
> wrote:
> > Joshua:
> > You are wonderful!!! You mention you used the Koha
> MARC edit in catalogue,
> > that means you manually enter the Chinese books in
> koha catalogue, and not
> > download the record from some libraries?
> Yep, that's right. So long as you have UTF-8 set up
> correctly, you can input
> as well as display any utf-8 you want in Koha.
>
> Now, let me warn you that the Koha MARC editor is
> still not perfect
> and I would still recommend you use an external MARC
> editor if that
> has been your cataloging practice thusfar. You
> should be able to set
> it up to handle a repeatable 900, 945, etc. tag,
> with the appropriate
> subfields to handle the transcriptions (don't limit
> yourself to just
> the title/author, feel free to include any others
> you want). So long
> as you set up your MARC Framework to handle the 9XX
> fields and link
> to them via the search points (ie 245a will need a
> 'search also'
> entry for '945a','945c' (and you might as well put
> '245c' in there
> while you're at it)), it will work without having to
> use Koha's
> editor. If you need more specific implementation
> details let me
> know.
>
> > Pardon me if this question appears to be silly.
> But your input is
> > very helpful still.
> No question is silly :-). I'm glad I could be of
> some help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> Joshua Ferraro VENDOR SERVICES FOR OPEN-SOURCE
> SOFTWARE
> President, Technology migration, training,
> maintenance, support
> LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS
> [hidden email] |Full Demos at
> http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
>
>
>
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