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Koha - Mobile web version.

Laquerre, Anthony
Hi Everyone,
We are currently looking to get a mobile version of Koha catalog and we would like to see if there is any plan short term for this.
What we want to not a mobile app but a mobile web version.
 
So Iphone, Android and  other smartphone will be able to present the opac properly to our students.
I saw couple of thread on this using Google but look like this project is still not in "real" :-)
 
We would like to be involve in this project. 
If nobody is ready to tackle it, we would like to take the lead, sponsored and give it back to the community quickly.
 
Since it's the first time I post in here, I dont know what's the next step and how we should proceed.
 
Just let me know :-)
Thanks,

Anthony Laquerre
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Adalid Ortiz
Not an app but....

http://catalogo.pusc.it/
http://catalogo.pusc.it/mobile/

Felipe Adalid Ortiz Anzaldo
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Laquerre, Anthony
Hi Filipe,
Yes, I saw this in the last Koha newsletter.
Sorry to ask, but do you plan to release your work soon ?

FYI : We would like to have something that "look and feel" a bit more like the regular Koha.  But I am sure your work can be a great first step for us.

Thanks,
Anthony


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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Adalid Ortiz
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Sorry but I'm not the developer. Only send the link as reference.

Saludos,


Felipe Adalid Ortiz Anzaldo
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Adalid Ortiz
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OK, maybe like this one?
http://www.amzari.com/v3/2011/04/mobile-opac-based-on-koha-open-source-ils/

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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Liz Rea
Take it and run!

:)


On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Adalid Ortiz <[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, maybe like this one?
> http://www.amzari.com/v3/2011/04/mobile-opac-based-on-koha-open-source-ils/
>
> Felipe Adalid Ortiz Anzaldo
> Bibliotecario de sistemas
> Universidad Iberoamericana Tijuana
> Biblioteca Loyola
> http://clavius.tij.uia.mx
> Ave. Centro Universitario 2501
> Playas de Tijuana
> 22200, Tijuana, B.C.
> 0 664 630-1577 Ext. 623
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Ian Walls
Nucsoft OSS Labs mentioned at KohaCon 2012 that they're commissioned to write a Mobile OPAC for one of their customers.  Hopefully one of their team can provide some more details on what this will entail.

BibLibre also indicated they were working on a mobile CSS.  Two different ByWater partners have also expressed interest in making this happen.

I think what needs to happen next is the community needs to get together and come up with a list of features and design styles that should make up a Mobile OPAC, and put together a implementation plan on which to do first.  If we have a unified specification out there, all these different parties can work together towards the same goal, rather than having half a dozen different implementations floating around out there.

Some questions to ask:
  • CSS-based, or a new template?
  • What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.  What about user logged-in features?
  • Specific features for mobiles, like integration with GPS, compass, accelerometer and camera?  This may require OS-specific apps, but would make the model tool that much more appealing
Cheers,


-Ian

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Liz Rea <[hidden email]> wrote:
Take it and run!

:)


On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Adalid Ortiz <[hidden email]> wrote:
> OK, maybe like this one?
> http://www.amzari.com/v3/2011/04/mobile-opac-based-on-koha-open-source-ils/
>
> Felipe Adalid Ortiz Anzaldo
> Bibliotecario de sistemas
> Universidad Iberoamericana Tijuana
> Biblioteca Loyola
> http://clavius.tij.uia.mx
> Ave. Centro Universitario 2501
> Playas de Tijuana
> 22200, Tijuana, B.C.
> 0 664 630-1577 Ext. 623
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Stefano Bargioni
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Ian's questions are interesting. Before writing
http://catalogo.pusc.it/mobile/
I had a Q&A with... myself:

Q: An app?
A: Very beautiful appearance.
   It can easily store preferences, credentials, data and offline
   functionalities.
   It requires a lot of experience for developing and testing on many
   present -and future- smartphones and tablets.
   And certifications of Apple Store and Android Market.
   Apps increase in number day by day. Maybe this model will have an
   end is few years.
   My university has/will have its own app. There will be two apps for
   our students? Or will I develop part of the institutional app?

Q: Ad hoc CSS to change Koha appearance?
A: Seems difficult without changing templates. Web pages for smartphones
   must be very simple, to avoid zooming too often and allow easy finger
   taps.

Q: A web app?
A: Doesn't require Apple Store or Android Market certifications. Every
   mobile device has a (good) browser.
   Using jQuery Mobile, basically only HTML(5) and javascript skills are
   required.
   No way for integration with other apps.
   Login is required for user features (maybe cookies can help).

After analyzing these pros and cons, I choose to write a web app.

However, Koha runs in very different institutions. I think the community could try to develop both a web app and an app. Maybe their core could be the same, to share code as much as possible.
Stefano

Ian Walls wrote:

> Nucsoft OSS Labs mentioned at KohaCon 2012 that they're commissioned to
> write a Mobile OPAC for one of their customers.  Hopefully one of their
> team can provide some more details on what this will entail.
>
> BibLibre also indicated they were working on a mobile CSS.  Two different
> ByWater partners have also expressed interest in making this happen.
>
> I think what needs to happen next is the community needs to get together
> and come up with a list of features and design styles that should make up a
> Mobile OPAC, and put together a implementation plan on which to do first.
> If we have a unified specification out there, all these different parties
> can work together towards the same goal, rather than having half a dozen
> different implementations floating around out there.
>
> Some questions to ask:
>
>   - CSS-based, or a new template?
>   - What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.  What
>   about user logged-in features?
>   - Specific features for mobiles, like integration with GPS, compass,
>   accelerometer and camera?  This may require OS-specific apps, but would
>   make the model tool that much more appealing
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> -Ian
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Magnus Enger
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2011/11/14 Ian Walls <[hidden email]>:
...
> Some questions to ask:
>
> CSS-based, or a new template?

I have been working on a non-Koha specific mobile web app for
libraries based on WordPress and searching through Z39.50/SRU (
http://demo.mobibl.no/ ). I have used jQuery Mobile (JQM) to do the
interface, and I'm very happy with it, so maybe it could be a good
basis for working on a mobile version of the Koha OPAC too? It would
require new/extra templates, though, since JQM has quite rigid
expectations for the HTML it works with.

> What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.  What about
> user logged-in features?

Seems natural to start with the non-logged in parts and then progress
to the logged in parts?

> Specific features for mobiles, like integration with GPS, compass,
> accelerometer and camera?

Do we need them? I don't think we do if all we aim to do is reproduce
the functionality of the current OPAC for mobile browsers.

> This may require OS-specific apps, but would make
> the model tool that much more appealing

I think we need to focus on building a mobile web-app version of the
current OPAC, since this is something that would work out of the box
for every library using Koha, and something that would build on the
current code. A native app (at least for iPhone) would have to get
through the whole approval process etc. Would there be one app per
library, or would there be one Koha app to rule them all, where you'd
just choose your library? If so, who would "own" the app in the app
store? This would be more of a stand alone project as far as I can
see, that would communicate with Koha over Z39.50/SRU and ILS-DI,
perhaps. I'm not saying we should not do it, I just don't see this as
a natural part of the main Koha project/codebase...

Just my NOK 0.02...

Best regards,
Magnus

PS
Here's the source code for my moBibl project:
https://github.com/MagnusEnger/mobibl-wp-plugin
https://github.com/MagnusEnger/mobibl-wp-theme
https://github.com/glitre/glitre
It's far from being wrapped up in one coherent, easy to install
package, as you can see...
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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

Henri-Damien LAURENT
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Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 à 13:12 -0500, Ian Walls a écrit :
> Nucsoft OSS Labs mentioned at KohaCon 2012 that they're commissioned
> to write a Mobile OPAC for one of their customers.  Hopefully one of
> their team can provide some more details on what this will entail.
>
> BibLibre also indicated they were working on a mobile CSS.  Two
> different ByWater partners have also expressed interest in making this
> happen.
We did it.
You can test it here :

http://catalogue.devunilim.biblibre.com/

using css only is quite interesting because :
 - easy to maintain
 - all the OPAC features
But
less smoothly integrated in the mobile phone.
requires internet connection.

>
> I think what needs to happen next is the community needs to get
> together and come up with a list of features and design styles that
> should make up a Mobile OPAC, and put together a implementation plan
> on which to do first.  If we have a unified specification out there,
> all these different parties can work together towards the same goal,
> rather than having half a dozen different implementations floating
> around out there.
>
> Some questions to ask:
>       * CSS-based, or a new template?
>       * What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.
>         What about user logged-in features?
>       * Specific features for mobiles, like integration with GPS,
>         compass, accelerometer and camera?  This may require
>         OS-specific apps, but would make the model tool that much more
>         appealing

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Re: Koha - Mobile web version.

David Friggens
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> ... Mobile OPAC, and put together a implementation plan ...

Some thoughts from a non-Koha-specific perspective.

As background, I spent some time working on a mobile Tomcat skin for
my Voyager ILS, but ended up scrapping that as we were close to
deploying Summon, which has a mobile version. We're currently working
on something to fill in the gaps between them - user account info and
hold etc requests - with pages that will serve both desktop and
mobile.

> CSS-based, or a new template?

I would say both. :-) There are some advantages to having separate
mobile pages, but the general move seems to be towards responsive web
design [1], i.e. adapting the layout for the user. Particularly for
something like an OPAC I think that it's advantageous to have a URL
that works everywhere, not just on a desktop OR a mobile.

It's not necessarily as straightforward as picking CSS templates using
media queries. There are a couple of reasons why it's probably a good
idea to create a new template for this, rather than bolting additions
onto an existing one.

One is that it's important to limit what's downloaded on mobiles - for
performance and bandwidth charges. It's easy to tell the browser to
resize a large image, or to just hide extra stuff that's not displayed
(but still downloaded), but it would be much better for the users to
take the "mobile first" approach of serving up mobile by default and
adding in extra JS/CSS/etc if a larger screen is detected.

Also, I have to say that of all of the mobile OPACs I've seen, the
ones that were developed through a process of "how can we shrink this
desktop page down to fit on a mobile?" rather than "what information
do we want on a mobile and how can we best display it?" are uniformly
crappy. Admittedly, many of those desktop OPACs are pretty crappy to
begin with,4 but even with Koha it would be best to take a look at
mobile design from scratch.

> What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.  What about
> user logged-in features?

I don't have any corroborating evidence at my fingertips, but my
understanding is that mobile users tend to be looking up info like
library hours and when their books are due more than searching. Which
is to say - those things are probably important to be doing at the
start, rather than leaving 'til later.


It's probably useful to mention that one easy (and apparently
relatively cheap) way to go mobile is to sign up with Boopsie [2] or
LibraryThing's LibraryAnywhere [3]. They're perhaps less likely to be
of interest to Koha libraries(?), but they can be useful for
inspiration to copy too. :-)

Also, I'll mention that I've been pondering the idea of writing a web
app with Sencha Touch [4], in addition to the other mobile stuff. That
wouldn't be until some time next year, so I'd be quite interested to
see if anyone else did something along those lines.

Anway, that was all that fell out of my head - hopefully it wasn't
*too* rambling. :-)

Cheers
David

[1] A good read, plus lots of links: http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1436
[2] http://www.boopsie.com/libraries.html
[3] http://www.bowkerinfo.com/offers/LibraryAnywhere/
[4] http://www.sencha.com/products/touch/
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David Friggens
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>> BibLibre also indicated they were working on a mobile CSS.
> You can test it here :
> http://catalogue.devunilim.biblibre.com/

I tried this on my Android phone and iPad, but only seemed to get a
desktop version...

David
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dschust
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So has the css been shared for the mobile website someplace?  I don't want to recreate any more wheels!

I've also looked at modifying existing code to create a mobile Koha, but what I have done requires manual updates to templates etc..  Plus it was done PRE-Template Toolkit...  So now I need to clean it up for submission under the 3.6 using TT.

http://m.catalog.pisd.edu

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---- Henri-Damien LAURENT <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Le lundi 14 novembre 2011 à 13:12 -0500, Ian Walls a écrit :
> Nucsoft OSS Labs mentioned at KohaCon 2012 that they're commissioned
> to write a Mobile OPAC for one of their customers.  Hopefully one of
> their team can provide some more details on what this will entail.
>
> BibLibre also indicated they were working on a mobile CSS.  Two
> different ByWater partners have also expressed interest in making this
> happen.
We did it.
You can test it here :

http://catalogue.devunilim.biblibre.com/

using css only is quite interesting because :
 - easy to maintain
 - all the OPAC features
But
less smoothly integrated in the mobile phone.
requires internet connection.

>
> I think what needs to happen next is the community needs to get
> together and come up with a list of features and design styles that
> should make up a Mobile OPAC, and put together a implementation plan
> on which to do first.  If we have a unified specification out there,
> all these different parties can work together towards the same goal,
> rather than having half a dozen different implementations floating
> around out there.
>
> Some questions to ask:
>       * CSS-based, or a new template?
>       * What features first?  Search and biblio details seem obvious.
>         What about user logged-in features?
>       * Specific features for mobiles, like integration with GPS,
>         compass, accelerometer and camera?  This may require
>         OS-specific apps, but would make the model tool that much more
>         appealing

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BibLibre

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