[Bug 23302] New: Allow faster access to Card and MARC view in Z3950 search results

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[Bug 23302] New: Allow faster access to Card and MARC view in Z3950 search results

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            Bug ID: 23302
           Summary: Allow faster access to Card and MARC view in Z3950
                    search results
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           Version: master
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            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: P5 - low
         Component: Cataloging
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In older versions it was possible to click Card view or MARC view directly. Now
we must click twice (open menu first). When comparing different records, our
users click Card or MARC repeatedly and would love to need only one click.

What are our options to achieve that? ;)

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--- Comment #1 from Marcel de Rooy <[hidden email]> ---
Instead of reverting to three buttons/links:

Could we add a Default action left to the dropdown menu like addbooks shows New
Z3950 search and a menu?
And perhaps remember which we action (Card or MARC) we chose last and offer
that as default action again ?

Any ideas? Owen ?

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--- Comment #2 from Marcel de Rooy <[hidden email]> ---
From IRC:

[14:57] <oleonard> marcelr: That interface has been contentious for a long time
now. I think the core of the problem might be the small size of the window
leading to solutions to conserve space
[14:58] <marcelr> what about a default button?
[14:58] <marcelr> instead of showing Actions?
[14:58] <marcelr> the caret does not take much space
[14:58] <oleonard> We had a discussion about default buttons in another context
and there was no agreement about which should be the default
[14:59] <marcelr> default could be governed by js and cookie ?
[15:00] <oleonard> I wonder if we shouldn't just go back to individual buttons
and try to address the space problem
[15:00] <marcelr> that would be fine for us; i am doing that in our staff
version now
[15:00] <marcelr> bit uglier but it works
[15:01] <marcelr> Card Marc Import are just short words ;)
[15:01] <oleonard> I don't know if there is any consensus on it though... It
would be worth taking to the Koha mailing list

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--- Comment #3 from Marcel de Rooy <[hidden email]> ---
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> [15:01] <oleonard> I don't know if there is any consensus on it though... It
> would be worth taking to the Koha mailing list

Sent a mail to the general list now.

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--- Comment #4 from Paul A. <[hidden email]> ---
Excluding spiders, our logs show very few requests for 'cards' but many more
for 'MARC'. I can only guess that at item level the data is more complete. Was
there a good reason to remove this functionality?

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--- Comment #5 from Owen Leonard <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Paul A. from comment #4)
> Was there a good reason to remove this functionality?

I don't understand this question. No functionality was removed. The question is
whether the actions should be grouped in a dropdown menu or displayed as
individual buttons.

Generally speaking, groups of three or more "actions" in a table like this are
grouped into a dropdown menu in order to conserve horizontal space and make it
easier to see the data in the table. That can be reversed in this case if there
is enough call for it.

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--- Comment #6 from Paul A. <[hidden email]> ---
In reply to Owen L.

Apologies -- bad wording, "functionality" was misleading, maybe "two clicks
instead of one"? User friendliness? Ease of a GUI?

The *line* "Normal view MARC view ISBD view" (I don't see it as a *table*) is
extremely short, appears without breaks even on very small tablets rotated
vertically upright.  A "drop-down" might save a tad of horizontal screen space
(but is probably, pixel-wise, a little taller than a text line), but is less
explanatory unless you click it or know ahead of time what you're looking for.
That's my (lame) excuse for misusing "functionality."

I totally agree that "longer" lists of choices should be "drop down" -- just
questioning the user experience of deciding "three textually short" options
should be visually, quasi-hidden. At some point (intrinsically if a small
screen can't get them all on one line), let's go for it.... Just not at all
sure that it's required here.

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--- Comment #7 from Paul A. <[hidden email]> ---
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Apologies -- bad wording, "functionality" was misleading, maybe "two clicks
instead of one"? User friendliness? Ease of a GUI?

The *line* "Normal view MARC view ISBD view" (I don't see it as a *table*) is
extremely short, appears without breaks even on very small tablets rotated
vertically upright.  A "drop-down" might save a tad of horizontal screen space
(but is probably, pixel-wise, a little taller than a text line), but is less
explanatory unless you click it or know ahead of time what you're looking for.
That's my (lame) excuse for misusing "functionality."

I totally agree that "longer" lists of choices should be "drop down" -- just
questioning the user experience of deciding "three textually short" options
should be visually, quasi-hidden. At some point (intrinsically if a small
screen can't get them all on one line), let's go for it.... Just not at all
sure that it's required here.

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--- Comment #8 from Paul A. <[hidden email]> ---
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Apologies -- bad wording, "functionality" was misleading, maybe "two clicks
instead of one"? User friendliness? Ease of a GUI?

The *line* "Normal view MARC view ISBD view" (I don't see it as a *table*) is
extremely short, appears without breaks even on very small tablets rotated
vertically upright.  A "drop-down" might save a tad of horizontal screen space
(but is probably, pixel-wise, a little taller than a text line), but is less
explanatory unless you click it or know ahead of time what you're looking for.
That's my (lame) excuse for misusing "functionality."

I totally agree that "longer" lists of choices should be "drop down" -- just
questioning the user experience of deciding "three textually short" options
should be visually, quasi-hidden. At some point (intrinsically if a small
screen can't get them all on one line), let's go for it.... Just not at all
sure that it's required here.

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--- Comment #9 from Owen Leonard <[hidden email]> ---
Created attachment 91468
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Example screenshot

(In reply to Paul A. from comment #8)
> The *line* "Normal view MARC view ISBD view" (I don't see it as a *table*)
> is extremely short, appears without breaks even on very small tablets
> rotated vertically upright.

This attachment shows what the Z39.50 popup looks like on my test system,
Firefox on Windows 10.

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screenshot

Here is mine in Firefox 60.7.0esr (Ubuntu 18.04)

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Our most common use case is: search by union catalog ID (controlnumber) and
import as only one result is returned. But I am aware that most of the time
there will be a number of result that requires you to take a closer look.

I'd vote for bringing back the 3 separate links/butons.


I am not opposed to get rid of the pop-up. It often causes issues.

An example: People ask why the pop-up no longer appears, not realizing there
have minified it before and it's just still open.


We have also hidden column in this view in the past. Maybe column configuration
would be nice to have here.

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--- Comment #12 from Marcel de Rooy <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Paul A. from comment #4)
> Excluding spiders, our logs show very few requests for 'cards' but many more
> for 'MARC'. I can only guess that at item level the data is more complete.

Some of our users find it helpful to look at Card first, since the MARC preview
is much more detailed, lengthy and not always sorted. After that they may not
pick the record, or in another case look at MARC after all.

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--- Comment #13 from Paul A. <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Marcel de Rooy from comment #12)
The comment covered the case of using a "drop-down" box, instead of 3 short
html tags which "save a click" -- user ergonomics, office efficiency, GUI ease,
whatever. So we're probably not disagreeing, whether it's Z39-50, staff or
opac, as it has nothing to do with the user's final choice, just how she gets
there. Your users go for "cards", mine for "MARC" -- they'll all be clicking
twice instead of once.
My suggestion is (if there is reasonable screen space) that the lower limit of
"drop-down" choices should be above three (I'm not certain of an exact,
immutable value -- it is surely a fairly low number.)  Maybe there are logical
| practical exceptions, but this is IMHO not one of them.

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